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Subject:
Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11

investigation !!

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:50:08 -0700 (PDT)

Organization: http://groups.google.com

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On Mar 27, 12:03=A0pm, Henry <9...(at)insidejob.gov> wrote:



[snip stupidity, unread]



Apparently Henry is tired of confining his spew to a multi-thousand

post thread which hasn`t convinced him of one fucking thing since it

was created in the middle of last year.



Why don`t you light yourself on fire at where the trade center used to

be? Even more people will pay attention to you! You might even get a

blurb on the national news!









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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 29, 5:07=A0am, Henry wrote:
> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

> > Flaming bunch of paranoid buffoons too lazy to check
> > their facts.
>
> =A0 Speaking of being too lazy to check your "facts", do
> you still stand by your claim that, "Absolutely nobody
> in the structural engineering community seems to find
> the collapse difficult to believe"?

Let`s look at your experts.

James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire
Science Division of the National Institute of Standards
and Technology (NIST), whom you cited as agreeing
with you says the report is flawed because it
underestimated the fuel load but attributes the
collapse to fire.

Bachmann and Schneider have exactly one quote
attributed to the by Daniele Ganser. Schneider
is never even quoted directly. If you know of any
articles written personally by either one, cite them.

Joseph M. Phelps appears to engineer golf courses.
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Phelps_Joseph_4276043.aspx

secureutah.gov lists a Doyle Winterton as a retired
engeineer/Land Surveyor with an expired Engineer in
Training certificate. If that`s the wrong guy, let`s
see the right one.

Charles Pegelow and WIlliam RIce appear to have
last worked on building design in the 1970s.
Pegelow engineers oil rigs. Rice is retired.

We could go on to your second string experts, but I
don`t find your first string very credible.

There are I think, about 125,000 members of the ASCE
who are OK with the report or, as in the case of Quintierre
question technical details of the fire analysis but don`t buy
into conspiracies. But you knew that already.


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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 29, 11:40=A0am, totallydeadmail...(at)yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> > Let`s look at your experts.
>
> No, let`s leave the toilet cleaner to his far more important work.
>
> Shit, if people didn`t reply to his ravings, he wouldn`t clog up Usenet
> like a blocked Armitage Shanks.

When somebody makes a really moronoic assertion
about experts agreeing with them it`s worth maybe
one post to explain to them that they`ve just said
something really stupid.

A smart person at this point will take stock of what
they`re saying and stop saying stuff that`s demonstrably
stupid. A not so smart person will persist and attempt
to make their assertion true by further argument.

I think I know what to expect from Henry but figured
it was worth one statement of the facts anyway.
I apologize for encouraging this bullshit.




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From: "S`mee"
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:11:16 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 27, 2:03=A0pm, Henry wrote:
> http://911blogger.com/node/14549
>
> =A0 Report Of WTC Collapse Cover-Up Justifies Call For New Inquiry
> Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth experts demand questions answered


I know the answer...but you wont like it. The government didn`t do it
and yes my friends you can take a building down by flying an airplane
full of fuel into it.

Better yet explain how those EXPERTS can continually get all
the info, use the best formulas, best computer models (their words)
and continually come to the WRONG conclusion.

HOW can the be so dang stupid?




Title: The Internet in Society: Empowering or censoring citizens?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:43:59 +0000
Author: kempton

Very insightful talk, RSA – Evgeny Morozov – The Internet in Society: Empowering or censoring citizens?

While the western world applauds the internet as a force for empowerment, liberation and democracy, authoritarian governments in the east are working behind the scenes to manipulate the messages it conveys, says Evgeny Morozov

Note: Don’t know where Evgeny gets the stats, but having an army of 300,000 people leaving positive comments about the Chinese government for 50 cents per comment seems like a cheap way to manipulate public opinion. Sadly effective.

[via Richard]


More on: http://kempton.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/the-internet-in-society-empowering-or-censoring-citizens/











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