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Subject:
Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11

investigation !!

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:06:34 -0700 (PDT)

Organization: http://groups.google.com

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On Mar 29, 5:07=A0am, Henry <9...(at)insidejob.gov> wrote:

> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:



> > Flaming bunch of paranoid buffoons too lazy to check

> > their facts.

>

> =A0 Speaking of being too lazy to check your "facts", do

> you still stand by your claim that, "Absolutely nobody

> in the structural engineering community seems to find

> the collapse difficult to believe"?



Let`s look at your experts.



James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire

Science Division of the National Institute of Standards

and Technology (NIST), whom you cited as agreeing

with you says the report is flawed because it

underestimated the fuel load but attributes the

collapse to fire.



Bachmann and Schneider have exactly one quote

attributed to the by Daniele Ganser. Schneider

is never even quoted directly. If you know of any

articles written personally by either one, cite them.



Joseph M. Phelps appears to engineer golf courses.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Phelps_Joseph_4276043.aspx



secureutah.gov lists a Doyle Winterton as a retired

engeineer/Land Surveyor with an expired Engineer in

Training certificate. If that`s the wrong guy, let`s

see the right one.



Charles Pegelow and WIlliam RIce appear to have

last worked on building design in the 1970s.

Pegelow engineers oil rigs. Rice is retired.



We could go on to your second string experts, but I

don`t find your first string very credible.



There are I think, about 125,000 members of the ASCE

who are OK with the report or, as in the case of Quintierre

question technical details of the fire analysis but don`t buy

into conspiracies. But you knew that already.















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SUBJECT: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 29, 11:40=A0am, totallydeadmail...(at)yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> > Let`s look at your experts.
>
> No, let`s leave the toilet cleaner to his far more important work.
>
> Shit, if people didn`t reply to his ravings, he wouldn`t clog up Usenet
> like a blocked Armitage Shanks.

When somebody makes a really moronoic assertion
about experts agreeing with them it`s worth maybe
one post to explain to them that they`ve just said
something really stupid.

A smart person at this point will take stock of what
they`re saying and stop saying stuff that`s demonstrably
stupid. A not so smart person will persist and attempt
to make their assertion true by further argument.

I think I know what to expect from Henry but figured
it was worth one statement of the facts anyway.
I apologize for encouraging this bullshit.


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From: "S`mee"
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:11:16 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 27, 2:03=A0pm, Henry wrote:
> http://911blogger.com/node/14549
>
> =A0 Report Of WTC Collapse Cover-Up Justifies Call For New Inquiry
> Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth experts demand questions answered


I know the answer...but you wont like it. The government didn`t do it
and yes my friends you can take a building down by flying an airplane
full of fuel into it.

Better yet explain how those EXPERTS can continually get all
the info, use the best formulas, best computer models (their words)
and continually come to the WRONG conclusion.

HOW can the be so dang stupid?




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From: parris_k(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
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On 28 Mar, 06:10, Wolfie wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > "Henry" wrote in message
> >news:fsguj7$hqp$1(at)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...
> >>http://911blogger.com/node/14549
>
> >> Report Of WTC Collapse Cover-Up Justifies Call For New Inquiry
> >> Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth experts demand questions answered
>
> > Scarcely new and it scarcely matters. No one takes "truthers" seriously
> > anymore. They have been repeated debunked.
>
> Especially by those claiming billions from the insurers.


Got an example, wolfy?


>
> --
> Wolfie




Title: Amtrak Shenanigans
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:42:07 +0000
Author: Christopher Burg

So recently an amendment to Amtrak’s appropriation bill states that they will lose a huge chunk of money unless they allow passengers to transport firearms on board in a manner similar to airliners. Great idea! Ever since 9/11 Amtrak has had a zero guns in any form policy on their trains. Well now Amtrak is crying that they can’t meet the deadline for this policy change:

Amtrak and its defenders in Congress have argued that the government-owned train company needs more time and resources before it could allow firearms onto trains.

“We don’t think we’ll be able to do that March 31 deadline, and, of course, finding the funding to make all of that happening,” said Amtrak spokesman Steve Kulm. Failing to meet that deadline and missing out $1.5 billion in appropriated funds, its entire funding request for 2010, would bring a “cessation of train service nationwide,” Amtrak Chairman Thomas Carper wrote to appropriators last month.

So they are saying they can’t meet the deadline to do something they used to do before 9/11? Really? It seems to me they just have to do the exact same thing they used to and nothing else will need to change.


More on: http://blog.christopherburg.com/2009/10/27/amtrak-shenanigans/











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