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Subject:
Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11

investigation !!

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:43:09 -0700 (PDT)

Organization: http://groups.google.com

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On Mar 30, 12:10 pm, "P. Roehling" wrote:

> "Rob Kleinschmidt" wrote

>

> > Fair enough. I suppose everyone mustr have one stab at trying to invent

> > perpetual motion ;-)

>

> I think we`ve already discovered it. Now we could

> only figure out a useful application for Henry.

>

> We have.

>

> Entertainment.





U.S.A. is providing the entertainment.

I especially like George`s statement that

when he saw the first plane hit- he doesn`t

remember exactly where, but thinks it must have been

somewhere in the school while he was waiting to

see the kids (what a fatherly figure)- when he *saw*

the

first plane hit, he thought it was `pilot error`.



U.S.A. seems to have a little of that.

Pilot error, I mean.



John









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From: john
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 30, 4:10 pm, "P. Roehling" wrote:
> "john" wrote
>
> > U.S.A. is providing the entertainment.
> > I especially like George`s statement that
> > when he saw the first plane hit- he doesn`t
> > remember exactly where, but thinks it must have been
> > somewhere in the school while he was waiting to
> > see the kids (what a fatherly figure)- when he *saw*
> > the
> > first plane hit, he thought it was `pilot error`.
>
> > U.S.A. seems to have a little of that.
> > Pilot error, I mean.
>
> Was Earth your first planet, John?

As in, if I don`t shut up
it will be my last?

John


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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 30, 9:32=A0am, ady...(at)panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> In article ,
> Rob Kleinschmidt =A0 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 30, 5:36=3DA0am, Henry wrote:
> >> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> >> > When somebody makes a really moronoic assertion
> >> > about experts agreeing with them it`s worth maybe
> >> > one post to explain to them that they`ve just said
> >> > something really stupid.
>
> >> =3DA0 Speaking of exactly that, do you still stand by
> >> your claim that "Absolutely nobody in the structural
> >> engineering community seems to find the collapse difficult
> >> to believe"?
>
> >1 golf course engineer (Phelps), 2 guys who worked on
> >buildings in the 1970s (Rice and Pegelow), 2 more
> >(Bachmann and Schneider) who have never publicly
> >acknowledgedthe quotes attributed to them, one
> >retired surveyor (Doyle) with an expired engineer in
> >training license and one idiot, (you) who never bothered
> >to check the credentials of his "experts".
>
> >Which of these guys do you find most credible ?
> >Which of them is in the structural engineering
> >community for that matter ?
>
> >These appear to be Phelp`s credentials
>
> >http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Phelps_Joseph_4276043.aspx
>
> >Joe, who has Bachelor of Science and Master of
> >Science degrees from the California Institute of Technology,
> >has held a number of positions in the fields of golf
> >and engineering. Those positions include Vice President
> >- Engineering of Turnkey Golf Projects, Inc., Director
> >of Golf Technology Consultants, and Commissioner of
> >the Riverside County Flood Control and Water
> >Conservation District.
>
> >How `bout them credentials ?
>
> Gage`s (founder of ae911) own credentials don`t give him the
> qualifications to make his claims on his own.
>
> Here`s Gage`s resume.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Resume:http://members.shaw.ca/loudstudios/GageCV.pdf
>
> It appears he`s never been in charge of any project. =A0He has no
> structural engineering background and on his list of software he is
> familair with, none of CAD/CAM/FEA tools that NIST and the engineers
> use are listed.

But his credentials include postiions of great responsibility
in the construction of not only the main and auxilliary gyms
at San Ramon High School, but also a Baskin Robins, a
TOGOS sandwich shop, an entire SPCA facility and several
other equally important landmark buildings.

Yet you`re still insisting that he may not be the most
qualified person on the planet to analyze the World Trade
center collapse ? :-)




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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 30, 5:41=A0pm, Henry wrote:

> =A0 So, I have two questions for you.
> 1. How can you accept as credible or believable, a reference
> who so grossly represents both evidence and basic physics?
> Eagar`s disinformation was broadcast on millions
> of TVs all over the globe, yet, attempts to expose his errors
> and reveal the truth and facts get little notice by the same
> corporate media. That too, should tell you something.

And that`s exactly the point that you don`t get. I don`t
have to. The analysis has been reviewed and will continue
to be reviewed by engineering departments all over the world
including Cornell, MIT, Cambridge and BYU.

Some of the things you learn to trust in engineering are
peer review and collaberative efforts pooling expertise
in different fields.

People like Quintierre will find problems with parts of the
analysis and sugest alternatives.

Start with the credentials of the nist team

http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/

and compare them with this guy Gage, whose
career seems to be building sandwich shops
and gymnasiums.

> 2. What =A0falling blocks and sticks have to do with the tilting
> of a tall narrow structure that`s resting on the ground?

I would not attempt to explain the exact causes of the
collapse, though perhaps somebody in the Cornell
school of engineering might walk you through it if
you asked nicely.

What I have concluded is that the thermite demolition
theory is stupid enough that I can conclude with certainty
that it is not in any way possible.

That pretty much leaves a plane crash and fire, as
virtually every qualified expert in the world suggests.

If you can find a published technical analysis by Bachmann,
or Schneider I`d be genuinely curious and will read it.
If you can`t find such an analysis, then perhaps
you guys should stop claiming them as being
your active supporters.

Anyway, Gage, Phelps, and Winterton look pretty
bogus. the other two, Rice and Pegelo don`t look
very current, and of you other engineers, I`ll bet
a significant number of the drive a choo choo.




Title: Quote of the Day
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:52:06 +0000
Author: joanallegretti

Longer post coming in the next few days.  Until then, a quote from this morning, when Pope Benedict accepted the credentials of the new ambassador from the USA to the Holy See, Honorable Miguel Humberto Díaz. (Whole address can be found here.)

The crisis of our modern democracies calls for a renewed commitment to reasoned dialogue in the discernment of wise and just policies respectful of human nature and human dignity.  The Church in the United States contributes to this discernment particularly through the formation of consciences and her educational apostolate, by which she makes a significant and positive contribution to American civic life and public discourse. Here I think particularly of the need for a clear discernment with regard to issues touching the protection of human dignity and respect for the inalienable right to life from the moment of conception to natural death, as well as the protection of the right to conscientious objection on the part of health care workers, and indeed all citizens.  The Church insists on the unbreakable link between an ethics of life and every other aspect of social ethics, for she is convinced that, in the prophetic words of the late Pope John Paul II, ‘a society lacks solid foundations when, on the one hand, it asserts values such as the dignity of the person, justice and peace, but then, on the other hand, radically acts to the contrary by allowing or tolerating a variety of ways in which human life is devalued and violated, especially where it is weak or marginalized’ (Evangelium Vitae, 93; cf. Caritas in Veritate, 15).

Hope certain Catholic politicians – and the current Ambassador to Malta– are listening.  I think it’s pretty clear what he’s saying.


More on: http://joanallegretti.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/quote-of-the-day-3/







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