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Subject:
Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11

investigation !!

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:21:51 -0700 (PDT)

Organization: http://groups.google.com

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On Mar 30, 4:10 pm, "P. Roehling" wrote:

> "john" wrote

>

> > U.S.A. is providing the entertainment.

> > I especially like George`s statement that

> > when he saw the first plane hit- he doesn`t

> > remember exactly where, but thinks it must have been

> > somewhere in the school while he was waiting to

> > see the kids (what a fatherly figure)- when he *saw*

> > the

> > first plane hit, he thought it was `pilot error`.

>

> > U.S.A. seems to have a little of that.

> > Pilot error, I mean.

>

> Was Earth your first planet, John?



As in, if I don`t shut up

it will be my last?



John









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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
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On Mar 30, 9:32=A0am, ady...(at)panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> In article ,
> Rob Kleinschmidt =A0 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 30, 5:36=3DA0am, Henry wrote:
> >> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> >> > When somebody makes a really moronoic assertion
> >> > about experts agreeing with them it`s worth maybe
> >> > one post to explain to them that they`ve just said
> >> > something really stupid.
>
> >> =3DA0 Speaking of exactly that, do you still stand by
> >> your claim that "Absolutely nobody in the structural
> >> engineering community seems to find the collapse difficult
> >> to believe"?
>
> >1 golf course engineer (Phelps), 2 guys who worked on
> >buildings in the 1970s (Rice and Pegelow), 2 more
> >(Bachmann and Schneider) who have never publicly
> >acknowledgedthe quotes attributed to them, one
> >retired surveyor (Doyle) with an expired engineer in
> >training license and one idiot, (you) who never bothered
> >to check the credentials of his "experts".
>
> >Which of these guys do you find most credible ?
> >Which of them is in the structural engineering
> >community for that matter ?
>
> >These appear to be Phelp`s credentials
>
> >http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Phelps_Joseph_4276043.aspx
>
> >Joe, who has Bachelor of Science and Master of
> >Science degrees from the California Institute of Technology,
> >has held a number of positions in the fields of golf
> >and engineering. Those positions include Vice President
> >- Engineering of Turnkey Golf Projects, Inc., Director
> >of Golf Technology Consultants, and Commissioner of
> >the Riverside County Flood Control and Water
> >Conservation District.
>
> >How `bout them credentials ?
>
> Gage`s (founder of ae911) own credentials don`t give him the
> qualifications to make his claims on his own.
>
> Here`s Gage`s resume.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Resume:http://members.shaw.ca/loudstudios/GageCV.pdf
>
> It appears he`s never been in charge of any project. =A0He has no
> structural engineering background and on his list of software he is
> familair with, none of CAD/CAM/FEA tools that NIST and the engineers
> use are listed.

But his credentials include postiions of great responsibility
in the construction of not only the main and auxilliary gyms
at San Ramon High School, but also a Baskin Robins, a
TOGOS sandwich shop, an entire SPCA facility and several
other equally important landmark buildings.

Yet you`re still insisting that he may not be the most
qualified person on the planet to analyze the World Trade
center collapse ? :-)


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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Mar 30, 5:41=A0pm, Henry wrote:

> =A0 So, I have two questions for you.
> 1. How can you accept as credible or believable, a reference
> who so grossly represents both evidence and basic physics?
> Eagar`s disinformation was broadcast on millions
> of TVs all over the globe, yet, attempts to expose his errors
> and reveal the truth and facts get little notice by the same
> corporate media. That too, should tell you something.

And that`s exactly the point that you don`t get. I don`t
have to. The analysis has been reviewed and will continue
to be reviewed by engineering departments all over the world
including Cornell, MIT, Cambridge and BYU.

Some of the things you learn to trust in engineering are
peer review and collaberative efforts pooling expertise
in different fields.

People like Quintierre will find problems with parts of the
analysis and sugest alternatives.

Start with the credentials of the nist team

http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/

and compare them with this guy Gage, whose
career seems to be building sandwich shops
and gymnasiums.

> 2. What =A0falling blocks and sticks have to do with the tilting
> of a tall narrow structure that`s resting on the ground?

I would not attempt to explain the exact causes of the
collapse, though perhaps somebody in the Cornell
school of engineering might walk you through it if
you asked nicely.

What I have concluded is that the thermite demolition
theory is stupid enough that I can conclude with certainty
that it is not in any way possible.

That pretty much leaves a plane crash and fire, as
virtually every qualified expert in the world suggests.

If you can find a published technical analysis by Bachmann,
or Schneider I`d be genuinely curious and will read it.
If you can`t find such an analysis, then perhaps
you guys should stop claiming them as being
your active supporters.

Anyway, Gage, Phelps, and Winterton look pretty
bogus. the other two, Rice and Pegelo don`t look
very current, and of you other engineers, I`ll bet
a significant number of the drive a choo choo.




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From: "S`mee"
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:46 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Mar 30, 4:21=A0pm, john wrote:
> On Mar 30, 4:10 pm, "P. Roehling" wrote:
>
> > "john" wrote
>
> > > U.S.A. is providing the entertainment.
> > > I especially like George`s statement that
> > > when he saw the first plane hit- he doesn`t
> > > remember exactly where, but thinks it must have been
> > > somewhere in the school while he was waiting to
> > > see the kids (what a fatherly figure)- when he *saw*
> > > the
> > > first plane hit, he thought it was `pilot error`.
>
> > > U.S.A. seems to have a little of that.
> > > Pilot error, I mean.
>
> > Was Earth your first planet, John?
>
> As in, if I don`t shut up
> it will be my last?
>
> John

paranoid are we? Forgot our tinfoil hat and medications did you...

The truthers are all idiots on the subject of "What happened to the
towers"

They speak about some grand conspiracy the same way virgins talk about
sex...lots of enthusiasm and now acutal knowledge.
--
Keith S




Title: And You Want to Give Them Healthcare?
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:46:25 +0000
Author: Kyle

The hospital where I work is connected to a VA hospital. It has a lot of logistical benefits and very few downsides. In the course of working in various locations in my hospital and attending different functions and events over the years, I have gotten to know many of the employees in different divisions and areas.

I’ve gotten to know many of the other therapists, doctors, psychologists, etc. The other day, one of the VA psychologists and I was talking. He said to me,

Do you know I can only see my clients once every six weeks? I can’t believe that anyone wants to give the government health care! Look at our schools? Do they work? Our Veteran care doesn’t work. In fact, I’m not sure there’s a single program that the government runs that actually works.

This is important for two reasons. First of all, the mental health profession is littered with idealistic liberals who have grand ideas and little to no ideas on how to implement those grandiose ideas. I have found that while many preach tolerance, what they really mean is that you should agree with them or shut up.  I know that sounds harsh, and to be sure there are people to whom that does not apply. There is another aspect that I call the Social Worker aspect. This essentially says that the problems with the world are because our government isn’t doing enough. This cracks me up, because in the mental health field everything that the government has touched has gone badly, but that’s a discussion for another day. Back to the thought, I believed that this colleague was in this camp and that he was probably excited at the thought of government run health care.

The second reason that this is important is because of the reasons I have stated above, I’ve learned to just not talk about my views on politics or the government in most circles at work. I have a few friends that I talk to about such things but the truth is that I have very little hope in any political party as they currently stand. They all just seem to be liars to me.  None the less, we have weekly treatment meetings that I have to be a part of and we discuss treatment goals, ideas and methods for clients in these meetings. They are important and our ideology will come out in these meetings.  Sometimes, these meetings can be contentious but there is always a good level of professionalism and respect. However, in the meeting right before this lunch encounter one of my colleagues insisted we needed to move to a more “VA like model” of care. He lauded the VA system as a good and proper system.  When I expressed my doubt, this colleague looked at me and acted as though I was from another planet. I’m not a Veteran and neither is my co-worker proposing us going to a more VA driven model.

When I brought this fact up that currently Doctors of Psychology can only see their clients once every six weeks, I was told I was misinformed.  Again, what I call the Social Worker effect–I’m right, don’t confuse me with the facts. I brought it up to VA Model guy. He laughed and told me I needed to do my homework. Well, I’ve done my homework. I’ve talked to other Doctor’s, Vets, and even nurses. They all agree that the VA model is broken. One Dr. has worked in numerous hospitals across the country and he can’t believe that anyone would consider it a good system.

But hey, let’s get give them health care too. I’m sure that will be positive change.


More on: http://mylifeinthechaos.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/and-you-want-to-give-them-healthcare/











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