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Subject:
Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11

investigation !!

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:28:59 -0700 (PDT)

Organization: http://groups.google.com

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On Mar 30, 9:32=A0am, ady...(at)panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

> In article
om>,

> Rob Kleinschmidt =A0 wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> >On Mar 30, 5:36=3DA0am, Henry <9...(at)insidejob.gov> wrote:

> >> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:

> >> > When somebody makes a really moronoic assertion

> >> > about experts agreeing with them it`s worth maybe

> >> > one post to explain to them that they`ve just said

> >> > something really stupid.

>

> >> =3DA0 Speaking of exactly that, do you still stand by

> >> your claim that "Absolutely nobody in the structural

> >> engineering community seems to find the collapse difficult

> >> to believe"?

>

> >1 golf course engineer (Phelps), 2 guys who worked on

> >buildings in the 1970s (Rice and Pegelow), 2 more

> >(Bachmann and Schneider) who have never publicly

> >acknowledgedthe quotes attributed to them, one

> >retired surveyor (Doyle) with an expired engineer in

> >training license and one idiot, (you) who never bothered

> >to check the credentials of his "experts".

>

> >Which of these guys do you find most credible ?

> >Which of them is in the structural engineering

> >community for that matter ?

>

> >These appear to be Phelp`s credentials

>

> >http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Phelps_Joseph_4276043.aspx

>

> >Joe, who has Bachelor of Science and Master of

> >Science degrees from the California Institute of Technology,

> >has held a number of positions in the fields of golf

> >and engineering. Those positions include Vice President

> >- Engineering of Turnkey Golf Projects, Inc., Director

> >of Golf Technology Consultants, and Commissioner of

> >the Riverside County Flood Control and Water

> >Conservation District.

>

> >How `bout them credentials ?

>

> Gage`s (founder of ae911) own credentials don`t give him the

> qualifications to make his claims on his own.

>

> Here`s Gage`s resume.

>

> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Resume:http://members.shaw.ca/loudstudios/GageCV.pdf

>

> It appears he`s never been in charge of any project. =A0He has no

> structural engineering background and on his list of software he is

> familair with, none of CAD/CAM/FEA tools that NIST and the engineers

> use are listed.



But his credentials include postiions of great responsibility

in the construction of not only the main and auxilliary gyms

at San Ramon High School, but also a Baskin Robins, a

TOGOS sandwich shop, an entire SPCA facility and several

other equally important landmark buildings.



Yet you`re still insisting that he may not be the most

qualified person on the planet to analyze the World Trade

center collapse ? :-)









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SUBJECT: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
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From: Rob Kleinschmidt
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Mar 30, 5:41=A0pm, Henry wrote:

> =A0 So, I have two questions for you.
> 1. How can you accept as credible or believable, a reference
> who so grossly represents both evidence and basic physics?
> Eagar`s disinformation was broadcast on millions
> of TVs all over the globe, yet, attempts to expose his errors
> and reveal the truth and facts get little notice by the same
> corporate media. That too, should tell you something.

And that`s exactly the point that you don`t get. I don`t
have to. The analysis has been reviewed and will continue
to be reviewed by engineering departments all over the world
including Cornell, MIT, Cambridge and BYU.

Some of the things you learn to trust in engineering are
peer review and collaberative efforts pooling expertise
in different fields.

People like Quintierre will find problems with parts of the
analysis and sugest alternatives.

Start with the credentials of the nist team

http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/

and compare them with this guy Gage, whose
career seems to be building sandwich shops
and gymnasiums.

> 2. What =A0falling blocks and sticks have to do with the tilting
> of a tall narrow structure that`s resting on the ground?

I would not attempt to explain the exact causes of the
collapse, though perhaps somebody in the Cornell
school of engineering might walk you through it if
you asked nicely.

What I have concluded is that the thermite demolition
theory is stupid enough that I can conclude with certainty
that it is not in any way possible.

That pretty much leaves a plane crash and fire, as
virtually every qualified expert in the world suggests.

If you can find a published technical analysis by Bachmann,
or Schneider I`d be genuinely curious and will read it.
If you can`t find such an analysis, then perhaps
you guys should stop claiming them as being
your active supporters.

Anyway, Gage, Phelps, and Winterton look pretty
bogus. the other two, Rice and Pegelo don`t look
very current, and of you other engineers, I`ll bet
a significant number of the drive a choo choo.


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From: "S`mee"
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:46 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Mar 30, 4:21=A0pm, john wrote:
> On Mar 30, 4:10 pm, "P. Roehling" wrote:
>
> > "john" wrote
>
> > > U.S.A. is providing the entertainment.
> > > I especially like George`s statement that
> > > when he saw the first plane hit- he doesn`t
> > > remember exactly where, but thinks it must have been
> > > somewhere in the school while he was waiting to
> > > see the kids (what a fatherly figure)- when he *saw*
> > > the
> > > first plane hit, he thought it was `pilot error`.
>
> > > U.S.A. seems to have a little of that.
> > > Pilot error, I mean.
>
> > Was Earth your first planet, John?
>
> As in, if I don`t shut up
> it will be my last?
>
> John

paranoid are we? Forgot our tinfoil hat and medications did you...

The truthers are all idiots on the subject of "What happened to the
towers"

They speak about some grand conspiracy the same way virgins talk about
sex...lots of enthusiasm and now acutal knowledge.
--
Keith S




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From: "S`mee"
Subject: Re: !! Architects and Engineers expose cover-up and request new 9-11
investigation !!
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:50:51 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Mar 30, 8:10=A0pm, Henry wrote:


Henry bring those loons ALL 300 with you. I`ll use small words that a
8th grader will understand. Then maybe you will all realize what fools
you`ve been. I hate to see you fooled by these people.

The US government didn`t do it, though an argument could be made that
our "friends" the Saudi Arabians did.

--
Keith S




Title: Self-Righteous Bigots Sodomize Civil Rights in Maine
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:37:57 +0000
Author: Reality Check

Bigotry is alive and well in America. In a referendum on the issue of gay marriage in Maine, the outcome was once again decided by a group of small-minded ignoramuses. And Bigots, Inc. wasted no time in exploiting the underlying aversion people have toward homosexuality to advance their agenda of intolerance and discrimination.

But the last time I checked America was established as a nation of tolerance, civil liberties and human rights. It is inherent in our constitution, our traditions, and our history. Yet for a country that sells itself to the world as a sanctuary of liberty and human rights we sure have hard time reconciling this with our own rhetoric. The issue now is whether or not homosexuals should receive equal civil treatment when it comes to marriage. Both sides continue to launch vehement attacks on one another to support their respective positions. Yet all the struggles in court rooms, legislatures and voting booths over gay-marriage have simply been a precursor for the real conflict looming on the horizon; the battle over who owns marriage.

On the offensive are the traditional marriage people. This group believes marriage is a holy union between a man and a woman that is blessed and sanctified by God. For them, marriage “belongs” to God; meaning churches and religions. And the very idea of a man-man or woman-woman marriage is pure blasphemy.

But aside from all the blessing and sanctity stuff, marriage is essentially a legal union; a special kind of partnership that defines the relationship between two people joined in wedlock. This legal institution of marriage spans numerous laws, decisions, precedents and opinions, which are generally written for each state. But after the wedding, the ceremony, the holy water and whatever else each religion deems necessary to bless the union…the government steps in. It mediates marital rights and responsibilities during marriage, including the custody of minors and the division of property when marriages end in divorce. Like or not, marriage is essentially an institution of law, not religion. And as such the scope of marriage should be decided by the constitution, not the Bible! Apparently the bigots sodomizing civil rights across the country didn’t get the message.


More on: http://addingthemup.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/self-righteous-bigots-sodomize-civil-rights-in-maine/











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