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Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age.....

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:20:29 -0800 (PST)

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Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

Lorne Gunter, National Post

Published: Monday, February 25, 2008





Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China

is greater than at any time since 1966.



The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many

American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January

and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in

January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."



China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures

in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-

sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once

power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.



There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in

the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as

home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new

houses.



In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of

snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in

the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.



And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically

last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that

those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is

anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the

past.



The ice is back.



Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in

Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only

recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at

this time last year.



OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to

claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most

brutal winters in decades.



But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around

shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every

time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at

least fair game to use this winter`s weather stories to wonder whether

the alarmist are being a tad premature.



And it`s not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the

climate-change dogma.



According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics

Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant

professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona --

two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar

ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm

equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age

(a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.



"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell.

It`s not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean

currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not

properly accounted for the wind`s effects on ocean circulation, so

researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade

warming on polar ice melt.



But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include

the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it

again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to

the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.



Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural

Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the

bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase,

Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."



He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council,

who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced

we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot

activity does not pick up soon.



The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice

Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed

through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were

widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.



It`s way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but

then it`s way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.





http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289











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From: bw(at)barrk.net (B1ackwater)
Subject: Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age.....
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:17:58 GMT
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:20:29 -0800 (PST), Greg Brown
wrote:

>Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
>Lorne Gunter, National Post
>Published: Monday, February 25, 2008
>
>Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China
>is greater than at any time since 1966.
>
>The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many
>American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January
>and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in
>January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."
>
>China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures
>in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-
>sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once
>power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.
>
>There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in
>the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as
>home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new
>houses.

Actually, this kind of snowfall is predicted in several
GW theories ... and may actually be the harbringer of
another ice age if conditions are just right.

GW doesn`t eliminate damned-cold poles. Add a few degrees
to -100 and you`re still really close to -100. What it
DOES do is float more tropical moisture and send it
towards the poles. That means more SNOW where the cold
and warm/wet zones meet.

GW does something else too ... it has the potential to
"stratify" the climate. That means an entrenched warm
area, a relatively sharp line and then an entrenched
cold region. The extreme snow events in the northern
hemisphere this year have been the result of such
stratification. The cold air cannot come down and STAY
down, drying the air.

Instead we get `ripples` - fingers of cold air followed
by ripples of warmer air. The warm air brings moisture ...
and then the next cold ripple turns it into a blizzard.
This repeats over and over. Indeed, the Weather Channel
gal showed north Americas problem just this morning. A
high pressure center that`s normally over Greenland is
instead about 500 miles east of Greenland and cannot
trap cold air over the continent. The result - `ripples`.
Mega-snow, melt, mega-snow, melt ... over and over.

However, you can`t get an ice age unless the snow
doesn`t MELT between ripples. Such a perpetual snow
would start way up in Canada and then the line would
move south every year. Beyond a critical mass, ice
breeds more ice. No sign of that, yet.


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SUBJECT: Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age. Snow cover
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From: "free.tuneup(at)gmail.com"
Subject: Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age. Snow cover
over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at
any time since 1966.
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:24:02 -0800 (PST)

Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Feb 25, 4:39 pm, Capitalist Pig
wrote:
> Lorne Gunter, National Post
> Published: Monday, February 25, 2008
>
> The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many
> American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January
> and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in
> January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."
>
> China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures
> in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-
> sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once
> power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.
>
> There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in
> the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as
> home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new
> houses.
>
> In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of
> snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in
> the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.
>
> And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically
> last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that
> those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is
> anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the
> past.
>
> The ice is back.
>
> Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in
> Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only
> recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at
> this time last year.
>
> OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to
> claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most
> brutal winters in decades.
>
> But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around
> shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every
> time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at
> least fair game to use this winter`s weather stories to wonder whether
> the alarmist are being a tad premature.
>
> And it`s not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the
> climate-change dogma.
>
> According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics
> Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant
> professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona --
> two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar
> ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm
> equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age
> (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.
>
> "We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell.
> It`s not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean
> currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not
> properly accounted for the wind`s effects on ocean circulation, so
> researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade
> warming on polar ice melt.
>
> But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include
> the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it
> again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to
> the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.
>
> Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural
> Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the
> bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase,
> Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."
>
> He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council,
> who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced
> we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot
> activity does not pick up soon.
>
> The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice
> Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed
> through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were
> widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.
>
> It`s way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but
> then it`s way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

Those that know...No longer refer to it as "Global Warming" as if to
say that the heat is NOT everything about the process. Some are using
the term "Weather Disruption" meaning the process will have different
consequences, depending on how the rising water will create the
disruption of former predictable weather in specific localities. In
other words the heat is the origin of the disruption, but some folks
may be in for a real shock ,who are used to dry desert heat.




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SUBJECT: Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age. Snow cover
> Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age. Snow cover
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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:11:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age. Snow cover
over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater
than at any time since 1966.
From: Donna Evleth
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Organization: les newsgroups par Orange











> From: "free.tuneup(at)gmail.com"
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,soc.retirement,talk.politics.misc
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:24:02 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age. Snow cover
> over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at
> any time since 1966.
>
> Those that know...No longer refer to it as "Global Warming" as if to
> say that the heat is NOT everything about the process. Some are using
> the term "Weather Disruption" meaning the process will have different
> consequences, depending on how the rising water will create the
> disruption of former predictable weather in specific localities. In
> other words the heat is the origin of the disruption, but some folks
> may be in for a real shock ,who are used to dry desert heat.

Weather disruption is a very good term. I have been following weather in
areas I know well - and some others - for the last few years. My conclusion
is exactly that - "weather disruption".

One example. In 2003, France had a record heat wave. Really record.
Thousands of people, mostly old, died. There was much criticism made of
France at that time (it was during the period when France was a paria for
not having backed Bush`s war in Iraq). On newsgroups such as soc.retirement
there were cruel comment about the French "frying grannies in the attic".
Italy had the same death toll, but lied about their figures at the
beginning, so France got the heat (literally). It is true that France did
not have much air conditioning. We spent all of that period in Paris and
only ran into air conditioning once. But the reason there wasn`t much air
conditioning is because normally it isn`t needed. The following summer did
not have that kind of heat. Nor any of the rest of the following summers to
date.

This was weather disruption.

Thank you for posting this definition. Normally I remove cross posts, but
this time, because I don`t know where you originally posted this, I will
leave it in.

Donna Evleth




Title: Say What?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:55:20 +0000
Author: brandrea

Did you ever wake up in the morning and hear something that you weren’t quite sure was genuine or was if it was due to the haze of the sleep cycle?

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize. I heard it but it took my 3rd bowl of Al Franken Berry Cereal for it to register.

When did Obama do anything for peace because I missed that news cycle. His only venture towards that goal was when he was campaigning, and here we are, nine months in, and we’re still in Iraq, still in Afghanistan, with more troops still being sent out for a tour of duty! What the hell? No joke WHAT THE HELL?

I’ll be at the bar. Doubles all the way. Even at this early hour.


More on: http://brandrea.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/say-what/







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